On this episode we’ve got two big stories.

First, we continue our Greenland story. Denmark says covert influence operations aren’t just the work of Russia or China anymore—they’re happening inside the Western alliance. Investigators there allege Americans tied to Donald Trump tried to stir separatist sentiment in Greenland. Now we’re hearing there are people from another country involved in this. Greenland MP Pipaluk Lynge joins us.

And second, BUT a really big story as well, a cyber campaign with global reach; it’s called Salt Typhoon. A sweeping Chinese operation that pierced America’s telecommunications backbone, siphoning off call records, texts, and even audio from high-level officials, political campaigns, journalists—and ordinary citizens. Emily Odom, Cyber Assistant Special Agent in Charge at the FBI’s Washington field office, explains.

Two different fronts, one common thread: covert operations shaking the foundations of trust and security.

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